Posted by: asianrake | May 24, 2008

Outcome-Independence and How to Have Fun!

In response to helpful comments and a couple of emails on my article on why I hate the word, ’sarging,’ I wish to clarify something. I am criticizing the word ’sarging,’ but not the act itself of purposely flirting with women you don’t yet know.

Yes, you need discipline to get really good at anything. If you’ve listened to my interview with Christian Hudson (www.thesocialman.com/asianrakeintv.mp3), you know that I apply a LOT of discipline and perseverance to getting good with women, especially in connection with visualizations and affirmations, as well as with going out on a consistent basis.

Until you’ve developed the habit of going out on weekends on a regular basis, you will always need that initial push to leave the comfort of your home and go to a place that is conducive to flirting with women. But this push will only be necessary until you’ve developed the habit, which for me, was about 3-4 months of consistently going out for at least two nights a week. For day game, decide how much you want and can devote to this and work this into your weekly schedule.

I still clearly remember having Christian Hudson remind me over the phone when I was first starting out, “Dude, it’s Friday night. Get out there!” Not too long thereafter, this changed to, “Dude, it’s Thursday night. Get out there!” I no longer needed the push to go out on Fridays and Saturdays. I had already scheduled it into my weekly routine.

In my first couple of months, I even had to do community service for running a red light (I pleaded for community service rather than paying a fine, the cheap grad student that I was, lol) for 4 hours every Friday and Saturday until midnight. I was pretty exhausted on those nights. But guess what? I stuck with my routine and still put in at least an hour, and sometimes two, every one of those nights. And I have the Field Reports to prove it! I even wrote pages of analysis after having spent just one hour in the field… and then I often emailed them to Christian for feedback. LOL. It would have been easy to just use the community service work as an excuse for not going out, but I didn’t. And that took determination. But once it became a habit, I actually really missed going out.

(Sidenote: The next major reason guys aren’t progressing as fast as they could, besides having the wrong mental focus in-field, is that they aren’t reflecting and learning enough from every single interaction. I made interaction-by-interaction adjustments to my style. Just one hour in the field produced three interactions full of lessons.)

It’s a lot like going out to the gym and doing regular workouts. When you first start out, it takes discipline to hit the weights. You have to push yourself to go. But once you work it into your schedule and start seeing progress, you begin to look forward to your workout. I hit the gym three times a week and have a pretty rigorous workout with a trainer. I often travel for weeks at a time, so it interrupts my progress, but whenever I miss a workout, even on vacation, I feel it in my muscles. I can feel myself getting flabby and slow. I can feel my muscles atrophying. And I can’t wait to get back to the gym. Actually, a major factor in my hotel choices these days, right after price and location, is the quality of the fitness center.

Well then, Asian Rake, it sounds like you do think we need a “clocking in” mentality when we’re first starting out, even though later on, it becomes a habit that we look forward to.

Here’s my answer: This “clocking in” mentality is fine for getting yourself TO the venue. But once you’re there, drop that right away. You should not be thinking of this as “work” while you’re IN the venue.

When you’re IN the venue, you should be having fun.

If you are thinking, “Oh fuck, I’ve been standing around talking to my friends for an hour now and haven’t done a single approach yet. I better get out there and get to work. I better clock in and make a dent on my thousand approaches. Okay, let’s see… (scanning the room) where are the targets…,” then you have already tainted your approach. You’re already fighting an uphill battle. If you carry this mentality into an interaction, you WILL be sucking value rather than giving it.

The fatal mistake here was that you weren’t having fun in the first place.

What to do instead?

As my good friend Sebastian likes to drill into people:

1. Have fun!

2. Make other people have fun.

3. Then see if that hot girl really meets your standards.

4. And remember to manage the logistics.

That’s really all that should be going on when you’re in-field.

Notice that this post is only about the first step: Have fun!

See my other posts, like Believability, How to Project a Sexual Vibe, and other posts in my Top Posts widget in the sidebar for more on the other steps.

So the question is, how do you have fun in a club?

I will tell you a secret to getting on the “first-class seat in the express flight” to elite game:

If you do not yet enjoy clubbing, then it will be very hard for you to meet and attract women in a club.

If you do not yet enjoy shopping malls, then it will be very hard to for you to meet and attract women in a shopping mall.

If you do not yet enjoy cafes and bookstores, then it will be very hard for you to meet and attract women in cafes and bookstores.

If you do not yet enjoy bars, then it will be very hard for you to meet and attract women in bars.

So, what lesson can we derive from this?

Learn to enjoy the environment of the venue for it’s own sake, not just as a place to meet women. Otherwise, you will very likely not be having fun, and hence, you will not be projecting a good vibe, and hence, all your sub-communications will be off, and hence, you will be severely tainting every interaction you start there.

One of the first things I learned from Christian Hudson was how to have fun in bars and clubs. I naturally enjoy bars so that was easier. But how to have fun in very loud clubs with music that I didn’t (and still don’t) particularly care for and with nowhere to sit unless you’ve purchased a table with very expensive bottle service? Well, that took a little longer to figure out. But once I did, my game in clubs skyrocketed.

People have different ways of having fun in clubs, bars, cafes, bookstores, shopping malls, heck, even supermarkets. So I’m not going to tell you how to have fun. That’s something you have to figure out for yourself. Plus, you can read more detail on this in an earlier post on Being Unselfconscious. I can, though, tell you how I have fun in the bar and club environment, since that’s the one that is most foreign to most guys starting out.

To be truly outcome-independent in a bar or club, you must be completely content with yourself and enjoying your time without having to chat up a single cute girl.

Whoa! What are you saying, Asian Rake? Are you saying that I should go to a club and not talk to a single girl? Not do a single approach??? How the hell am I going to amass my thousand approaches like this?

If you are not yet able to have fun in a bar or club all by yourself and not purposely “cold approaching” a single “set,” then … YES. The first order of business for you is to learn to enjoy yourself in the venue for its own sake.

A big turning point for me was learning how to sit at a bar by myself, not talking to a single “set,” simply soaking in the ambience, savoring my martini, and chilling out. Sure, I talked to people. I talked to the bartender. I talked to the nice couple next to me. I talked to the older women on the other side who were enjoying a night out of wine tasting. But I never considered any of these interactions to be “sets.”

Then, I learned to have fun on my own in a loud dance club. I learned that I can stand at the bar with a drink, soaking in the ambience with a smile on my face, staring into space, letting myself fall into trance with the beats … all by myself. Sure, I talked to people, very briefly of course, as it was a loud club. I talked to the bartender. I clinked glasses with the group next to me. When the alpha male there saw I was alone, he invited me into their group and poured me a drink. Then a group of three girls started eyeing me, I walked over and clinked glasses with them. Then, one of them started asking me the buying questions (where are you from, etc.). There were nights when I sat at the bar of a big club all by myself, just chilling, and three separate women practically propositioned me for sex (and they weren’t pay-for-play; I made sure to find that out). I haven’t bothered to write reports on these because other than having a long backlog of LRs to write, with these in particular, nothing of any consequence can be conveyed in words. It was all the vibe, conveying passive value, good body language, and managing logistics.

Last night, I sat at the bar of a huge dance club all by myself. I was just sitting there, enjoying the ambience and staring into space. It was 4am. A guy sat next to me, chatting to a girl on the other side of him. She was wearing a tight dress that showed off her long legs. She had silky long black hair that framed a perfect doll-like face. She looked over at me. We locked eyes. She was talking to the guy while looking at me. The guy had his back to me and kept talking to her. He looked like a chode. I walked over to her other side and planted myself at the bar. I said, “Hey,” and smiled. Turns out the chode was her boyfriend but they’d only been going out for a month. He looked scared and came over, trying to AMOG. Pathetic attempt. I kinda felt sorry for him. This girl was way out of his league. She asked for my number. And then they left. On my way home at 5 in the morning, the sun was rising in Beijing. And she phoned me…

You see, all this started because I was having fun all by myself. My energy was all coming from within. I didn’t need anybody to make me happy. I was perfectly happy just chilling out with my drink. I wasn’t seeking anything. I was just … being. This is what it means to have a vibe that offers value. You are the party.

My fun these days when I go out is not dependent on any girl’s reaction. It’s dependent on me and me alone. I remind myself, “If I don’t meet a single hot girl tonight, I’m still going to have fun because my purpose tonight is not to meet girls; it’s to have fun!”

Go out there and have fun tonight!

Happy playin’, The Asian Rake.

Responses

Excellent. I was going to re-write my original comment, but I’ll just comment here.

Couldn’t agree more with your points. I’ve always had an affinity for bars and clubs because I like crowds, energetic venues, and good music. Hell, I even like most club music. So, I’m perfectly happy going to a bar or club and just chilling by myself.

When I fly solo, I usually let the sets come to me. For instance, I’ll be at a bar watching an NBA game and I’ll just naturally chat up the people beside me (guys and girls). If a girl comes up to order a drink, I’ll open her. It that goes well, I’ll ask her to introduce me to her friends. From there, my night usually opens up. Sometimes I’ll mix in more aggressive cold approaches, but I’ll always have the right vibe and it works because I’m ready for it.

This is the problem I have with going out with inexperienced wings, is that the focus of the night becomes approaches, and not having fun just hanging with a couple of guys. I almost always have the best success doing solo day game or going by myself to bars and clubs.

Anyway, great post.

Yea, I totally agree with all your points. The key to all of this is having fun.

I also had a similar incident happen to me last night, but instead of a club, it was at a party at the local art museum. Talking to a guy, when I notice a girl behind him staring at me. I shifted position so that I just looked like I was staring off into space but really just held eye contact with her and smiled. I tried to talk louder so that she could hear what I was saying, while trying to through in some DHV-type comments in my conversation. She started playing hide-and-go-seek by holding EC but moving to the other side of the guy’s head. I was game, so I smoothly shifted position and met her EC on the other side of the AFC’s head. She smiled and then broke EC. Got the #close later that night.

So yea, strong post, and it’s quite true.

Hey Lance and afdesi,
I’m glad we’re on the same page here :-)

And thanks for sharing your insights and experiences.

A lot of guys just “don’t get it.” And it doesn’t matter how much you tell it to them or demonstrate it. They have to reach a point in their own lives where it all finally clicks, and they see it for themselves. You can only point the Way.

In the meantime, they will continue to view meeting women as something special or different from what they should normally be doing.

Have fun, and then everything, from open to close, will be 100% easier!

Cheers, The Asian Rake.

awesome two posts, man! can tell you put a lot of thinking into this. keep up the great writing!

AsianRake-

Love this post. After watching some impressive (and often awkwardly hilarious) Eckhart Tolle videos, I feel the same way as you when going out. I used to have several objectives of meeting women, moving from A1 to A2 smoothly, et cetera, and now my only rule is to “Have Fun.”

It’s the ultimate inner game. You feel good about yourself, others feel good around you, and you radiate. From here, meeting women, like you said, is smooth and easy, almost like second nature.

Thanks for reinforcing this new belief! Love the posts!

Emergency

Right on man!

I like to keep things simple. Having fun is definitely one of the most important component in creating attraction.

When you have fun, you don’t think things too hard. You get in the moment and you vibe.

THAT is powerful ;p

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